DAMAGE
RogueThe master of stealth, Energy and combo points; Forever adds Mutilate, the Venom finisher and weapon-type bonuses, and the Skyborne join the class.
What it was in Classic and what it is now, row by row.
| — | Classic | WoW Forever |
|---|---|---|
| Races | Classic
| WoW Forever |
| Talents | ClassicThe patch 1.12 trees: 51 points and a final talent at 31 | WoW ForeverSame layout plus a new talent at 16 points: 9 new, 1 replace another, 29 changed and 14 unchanged |
| Hit and crit | ClassicSeparate for spells and for melee and ranged | WoW ForeverUnified: one stat for spells, melee and ranged |
Classic data: wago.tools — Talent, TalentTab and SpellName from the Classic Era 1.15.9 client
Assassination
Damage
Poisons and critical strikes, now with Mutilate and the Venom finisher.
Combat
Damage
Sustained melee with Blade Flurry and Adrenaline Rush.
Subtlety
Damage
Stealth, ambushes and Hemorrhage, with Thousand Cuts feeding off Rupture.
Versus Classic
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Data from Wowhead's calculator (beta client, September 24). Values may change between beta builds. Classic comparison: Classic Era 1.15.9 client data via wago.tools.
Macros ready to copy, with spell names exactly as the game has them. Paste each one into a new macro and drag it to your bar. What a macro is and how to make one
Gets you off your mount and into stealth with a single press, so you can arrive and disappear.
Human
Dwarf
Night Elf
Gnome
Skyborne (High Order)
Orc
Undead (Forsaken)
Troll
Skyborne (Windshapers)#showtooltip Stealth
/dismount [mounted]
/cast [nostealth] StealthOut of stealth it stealths you; in stealth it focuses whatever is under your mouse (or your target) and saps it, so your focus macros can control it again later.
#showtooltip Sap
/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead][]
/cast [nostealth] Stealth; [@focus] SapFor daggers: in stealth it opens with Ambush and, once in combat, the same button becomes Backstab. Both need you behind the target.
#showtooltip
/startattack [nostealth]
/cast [stealth] Ambush; BackstabOne button for bleeds: in stealth and from behind it opens with Garrote; in combat it spends your combo points on Rupture.
#showtooltip
/startattack [nostealth]
/cast [stealth] Garrote; RuptureMakes sure your auto-attack is never left off.
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/startattack
/cast Sinister StrikeThe partner of the previous macro: put your sword on button 12 of the right action bar. After Ambush, if you still hold the dagger it switches you back to the sword and carries on with Sinister Strike. If you use a mace, change the weapon type.
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/click [combat,noequipped:One-Handed Swords] MultiBarRightButton12
/startattack
/cast Sinister StrikeIn dungeons: set the tank as your focus (/focus) and this macro takes their target, starts attacking and casts Sinister Strike. With no focus, it keeps your target.
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/assist [@focus,help,nodead]
/startattack
/cast Sinister StrikeYour two everyday finishers on one key: no modifier for damage, Shift for attack speed.
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:shift] Slice and Dice; EviscerateYour burst on one key: uses the trinkets in slots 13 and 14 (if they have an on-use effect) and casts Slice and Dice. If a trinket is passive, that line does nothing.
#showtooltip Slice and Dice
/startattack
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Slice and DiceFor sword rogues who open with a dagger: put your dagger on button 11 of the right action bar. In stealth, if no dagger is equipped, the first press equips it and the second casts Ambush; out of stealth, Sinister Strike.
#showtooltip
/click [stealth,noequipped:Daggers] MultiBarRightButton11
/startattack [nostealth]
/cast [stealth,equipped:Daggers] Ambush; [nostealth] Sinister StrikeFor long fights: Rupture by default and, with Shift, Expose Armor when the group has no other armor reduction.
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:shift] Expose Armor; RuptureFor Subtlety: your builder with auto-attack guaranteed. Needs the Hemorrhage talent.
#showtooltip Hemorrhage
/startattack
/cast HemorrhageFor Assassination: Mutilate as your builder and, with Shift, the Venom finisher. Needs the Mutilate talent; Venom is another talent at the bottom of the tree.
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:shift] Venom; MutilateInterrupts your focus without switching targets; with no focus, your target.
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,harm,nodead][] KickTwo stops on one button: Kick interrupts; if it is on cooldown, Shift for Gouge also stops the cast (the target must be facing you).
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Gouge; KickRight-clicking the button kicks your focus; left-clicking kicks whatever is under your mouse, or your target. Handy if you click your abilities.
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [btn:2,@focus,harm,nodead] Kick; [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] KickGouge a second enemy without dropping your target: the one under your mouse, else your focus, else your target. It must be facing you.
#showtooltip Gouge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][@focus,harm,nodead][] GougeIn stealth, the first press picks the target's pocket and the second stuns it with Cheap Shot. Changing targets restarts the sequence; out of stealth it does nothing.
#showtooltip
/stopmacro [nostealth]
/castsequence reset=target Pick Pocket, Cheap ShotYour stun chain on one key: open with Cheap Shot from stealth and, when it ends, the same key finishes with Kidney Shot.
#showtooltip
/startattack [nostealth]
/cast [stealth] Cheap Shot; Kidney ShotBlinds your focus (for example, the one you sapped that woke up) or whatever is under your mouse, without switching targets. Uses the powder you make for Blind.
#showtooltip Blind
/cast [@focus,harm,nodead][@mouseover,harm,nodead][] BlindCrowd control for two enemies without switching targets: with Shift you blind your focus; with no modifier you gouge whatever is under your mouse, or your target (it must be facing you).
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift,@focus,harm,nodead] Blind; [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] GougeDamage plus 15% more dodge for 7 sec, handy when you are solo and taking hits from the front. Needs the Ghostly Strike talent.
#showtooltip Ghostly Strike
/startattack
/cast Ghostly StrikePut your defensive trinket in the lower slot (14): one press fires it together with Evasion to survive a bad moment.
#showtooltip Evasion
/use 14
/cast EvasionIn a group, Feint to drop threat; if the hits are already coming your way, Shift for Evasion to dodge them.
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Evasion; FeintStops auto-attack before you vanish, so your next swing does not pull you straight out of stealth.
#showtooltip Vanish
/stopattack
/cast VanishStops your attack, vanishes and runs off in stealth. If both share the global cooldown in Forever, the second press casts Sprint.
#showtooltip Vanish
/stopattack
/cast Vanish
/cast SprintOut of stealth it stealths you; in stealth it picks the pocket of whatever is under your mouse, or your target. In Classic, Pick Pocket required stealth.
#showtooltip Pick Pocket
/cast [nostealth] Stealth; [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Pick PocketOut of combat it stealths you and sprints; Sprint does not break stealth, so you cross a zone unseen and faster.
#showtooltip Sprint
/cast [nocombat,nostealth] Stealth
/cast SprintCasts Distract at the ground spot under your mouse, no extra click.
#showtooltip Distract
/cast [@cursor] DistractBoth tools of the trade on one button: open chests and doors or, with Shift, disarm a trap.
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Disarm Trap; Pick LockThey use the modern game's macro syntax, which is what Forever runs underneath. We haven't tested them one by one in the beta yet: if one fails, tell us on the board.
How the rogue plays in WoW Forever: Mutilate and the Venom finisher, poisons, stealth, what you learn from level 1 to 40, a level 30 talent spread per tree, priorities, stats, gear, races, macros and leveling. With the official client names.
A WoW Forever race guide: which classes each race can play, all 40 racials (active and passive) with beta client numbers, what matters for PvP, groups or leveling, and what changed from Classic.
A beginner-friendly WoW Forever macro guide: what a macro is, how to create one, what each piece means (#showtooltip, @mouseover, @focus, /startattack, /castsequence…) and links to useful macros for all 9 classes, with spell names exactly as the game has them.
Blizzard's Classic+ launches on November 4. What changes from Classic: 469 reworked talents, the Skyborne, the Undead Paladin, new zones, nine dungeons and the raids — with the source next to every fact.